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Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2005 9:56 pm
by KKK
Fuck you guys. I support Bush, hes a great president. So what if he fucked up in Iraq, He'll do better in Iran, I promise.

Way to go Burt!!!!!!!!!

Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2005 9:59 pm
by jingoist
Great job Burt. Keep the music coming. I'm glad you have the courage to speak your mind. I'm glad you have the wisdom to speak the truth.
The blowhards are running out of excuses. Soon they will be running for cover.

Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2005 10:12 pm
by Guest
Lemme guess, some AM radio douchebag, ranted about an article he read on a big, bad, blog quoting another article borrowed from some Judeo-Christer, crack-head menstrual rag like The Weekly Standard, or some other neo-Con diaper, expressed just how shocked (shocked!) he was, that yet another rich celeb (who says Americans don't love class war?) was "bashing" Bush in yet another anti-American (read: anti-leader) screed, web-post, or song (most likely prefaced with a cheesy, cliched "you're never gonna believe THIS folks!" intro that middle-American, heartland Hitlerians cream their Wranglers over) and then spent the next 2 hours working his/her audience of free and independent thinking, Bible thumping, hog-humping, knuckle-dragging, God-bots into a zesty patriotic lather. One can spot these cunting gorillas a mile away in person, but on the web you can see them coming from 20 times that distance! Oh, it's all there: the misspellings, the mangled English, the conflations, the non-sequitors, the tuff-guy posturing, the cut-n-pasted opinions and arguments, the holier/more patriotic than thou proclamations, the obsessions with real and imagined impending doom all bracketed by a proud, uniquely American, bone stupidity. Reminds me of a t-shirt I saw the other day: "America: 300 million assholes strong!" Well done, Nascar Nazis! Let's just hope Burt never possesses the gall to pen a ditty questioning, say, the divinity of Christ, or casting doubt upon the accuracy of the creation story found in Genesis. Pat Robertson will most likely call for Mr. Bacharach's assassination! Douches. :evil:

Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2005 10:23 pm
by Cheneys Dick
Incredible job Burt. Always liked your music, back to and including "the Blob".

The Freeper Fascist/Corporatist/Neo-Con/Limbaugh-Dittohead Robots and Sychophants are going down fast, and they are desparate.

The soldiers over there are not "protecting" my freedom. We are busy here at home protecting The Constitution from being completely trashed, while the Robots in Iraq are protecting the stock prices of Halliburton, Exxon/Mobil/Lockheed, and General Electric.

So i f there are any soldiers reading this that still have a major portion of their brains intact, desert if you will. You are being used by these Puppet Masters. Come home and protect our borders, while we protect the Bill of Rights.

And for the Freepers, go listen to your pill head mentor Ripe Limburger, The Gay Nazi Homophobe Mike Savage, The Sex Changed Harlot Ann "Adam's Apple" Coulter, and Bill "Raise my pipe" O'Reilly, for your next steps in what to think.

Nazi loving (Look at who Prescott Bush, Dick Nixon, and Joe McCarthy were supporting in 1939 - The heroes of you slime balls) Low-Lifes

Have a Nice Day, and again keep up the good work Burt.

Disposable Heroes of HipHopCrisy, Bob Dylan, John Lennon, Joni Mitchell, DEVO, and The Weavers, would be proud. They all predicted what we are witnessing.

We Now Live in a Fascist State

Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2005 11:49 pm
by Guest
http://organicconsumers.org/Politics/harpers101205.cfm

Harper's Magazine: We Now Live in a Fascist State

Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 13:34:38 -0700

The article below appears in the current issue of Harpers and was written
by Lewis H. Lapham

www.harpers.org/LewisLapham.html

Knowing the source of this piece makes it all the more disturbing. It is not every day that the editor of a respected national magazine publishes an essay claiming that America is not on the road to becoming, but ALREADY IS, a fascist state.... or words to that affect.

To help prepare you for what follows, here are the final sentence from this piece.... [I think we can look forward with confidence to character-building bankruptcies, picturesque bread riots, thrilling cavalcades of splendidly costumed motorcycle police.]

On message By Lewis H. Lapham Harper's Magazine, October 2005, pps. 7-9 "But I venture the challenging statement that if American democracy ceases to move forward as a living force, seeking day and night by peaceful means to better the lot of our citizens, then Fascism and Communism, aided, unconsciously perhaps, by old-line Tory Republicanism, will grow in strength in our land." -Franklin D. Roosevelt, November 4, 1938

In 1938 the word "fascism" hadn't yet been transferred into an abridged metaphor for all the world's unspeakable evil and monstrous crime, and on coming across President Roosevelt's prescient remark in one of Umberto Eco's essays, I could read it as prose instead of poetry -- a reference not to the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse or the pit of Hell but to the political theories that regard individual citizens as the property of the government, happy villagers glad to wave the flags and wage the wars, grateful for the good fortune that placed them in the care of a sublime leader. Or, more emphatically, as Benito Mussolini liked to say, "Everything in the state. Nothing outside the state. Nothing against the state."

The theories were popular in Europe in the 1930s (cheering crowds, rousing band music, splendid military uniforms), and in the United States they numbered among their admirers a good many important people who believed that a somewhat modified form of fascism (power vested in the banks and business corporations instead of with the army) would lead the country out of the wilderness of the Great Depression -- put an end to the Pennsylvania labor troubles, silence the voices of socialist heresy and democratic dissent. Roosevelt appreciated the extent of fascism's popularity at the political box office; so does Eco, who takes pains in the essay "Ur-Fascism," published in The New York Review of Books in 1995, to suggest that it's a mistake to translate fascism into a figure of literary speech. By retrieving from our historical memory only the vivid and familiar images of fascist tyranny (Gestapo firing squads, Soviet labor camps, the chimneys at Treblinka), we lose sight of the faith-based initiatives that sustained the tyrant's rise to glory. The several experiments with fascist government, in Russia and Spain as well as in Italy and Germany, didn't depend on a single portfolio of dogma, and so Eco, in search of their common ground, doesn't look for a unifying principle or a standard text. He attempts to describe a way of thinking and a habit of mind, and on sifting through the assortment of fantastic and often contradictory notions -- Nazi paganism, Franco's National Catholicism, Mussolini's corporatism, etc. -- he finds a set of axioms on which all the fascisms agree. Among the most notable:

The truth is revealed once and only once.

Parliamentary democracy is by definition rotten because it doesn't represent the voice of the people, which is that of the sublime leader.

Doctrine outpoints reason, and science is always suspect.

Critical thought is the province of degenerate intellectuals, who betray the culture and subvert traditional values.

The national identity is provided by the nation's enemies.

Argument is tantamount to treason.

Perpetually at war, the state must govern with the instruments of fear. Citizens do not act; they play the supporting role of "the people" in the grand opera that is the state.

Eco published his essay ten years ago, when it wasn't as easy as it has since become to see the hallmarks of fascist sentiment in the character of an American government. Roosevelt probably wouldn't have been surprised.

He'd encountered enough opposition to both the New Deal and to his belief in such a thing as a United Nations to judge the force of America's racist passions and the ferocity of its anti-intellectual prejudice. As he may have guessed, so it happened. The American democracy won the battles for Normandy and Iwo Jima, but the victories abroad didn't stem the retreat of democracy at home, after 1968 no longer moving "forward as a living force, seeking day and night to better the lot" of its own citizens, and now that sixty years have passed since the bomb fell on Hiroshima, it doesn't take much talent for reading a cashier's scale at Wal-Mart to know that it is fascism, not democracy, that won the heart and mind of America's "Greatest Generation," added to its weight and strength on America's shining seas and fruited plains.

A few sorehead liberal intellectuals continue to bemoan the fact, write books about the good old days when everybody was in charge of reading his or her own mail. I hear their message and feel their pain, share their feelings of regret, also wish that Cole Porter was still writing songs, that Jean Harlow and Robert Mitchum hadn't quit making movies. But what's gone is gone, and it serves nobody's purpose to deplore the fact that we're not still riding in a coach to Philadelphia with Thomas Jefferson. The attitude is cowardly and French, symptomatic of effete aesthetes who refuse to change with the times.

As set forth in Eco's list, the fascist terms of political endearment are refreshingly straightforward and mercifully simple, many of them already accepted and understood by a gratifyingly large number of our most forward-thinking fellow citizens, multitasking and safe with Jesus. It does no good to ask the weakling's pointless question, "Is America a fascist state?" We must ask instead, in a major rather than a minor key, "Can we make America the best damned fascist state the world has ever seen," an authoritarian paradise deserving the admiration of the international capital markets, worthy of "a decent respect to the opinions of mankind"? I wish to be the first to say we can. We're Americans; we have the money and the know-how to succeed where Hitler failed, and history has favored us with advantages not given to the early pioneers.

We don't have to burn any books.

The Nazis in the 1930s were forced to waste precious time and money on the inoculation of the German citizenry, too well-educated for its own good, against the infections of impermissible thought. We can count it as a blessing that we don't bear the burden of an educated citizenry. The systematic destruction of the public-school and library systems over the last thirty years, a program wisely carried out under administrations both Republican and Democratic, protects the market for the sale and distribution of the government's propaganda posters. The publishing companies can print as many books as will guarantee their profit (books on any and all subjects, some of them even truthful), but to people who don't know how to read or think, they do as little harm as snowflakes falling on a frozen pond.

We don't have to disturb, terrorize, or plunder the bourgeoisie.

In Communist Russia as well as in Fascist Italy and Nazi Germany, the codes of social hygiene occasionally put the regime to the trouble of smashing department-store windows, beating bank managers to death, inviting opinionated merchants on complimentary tours (all expenses paid, breathtaking scenery) of Siberia. The resorts to violence served as study guides for free, thinking businessmen reluctant to give up on the democratic notion that the individual citizen is entitled to an owner's interest in his or her own mind.

The difficulty doesn't arise among people accustomed to regarding themselves as functions of a corporation. Thanks to the diligence of out news media and the structure of our tax laws, our affluent and suburban classes have taken to heart the lesson taught to the aspiring serial killers rising through the ranks at West Point and the Harvard Business School -- think what you're told to think, and not only do you get to keep the house in Florida or command of the Pentagon press office but on some sunny prize day not far over the horizon, the compensation committee will hand you a check for $40 million, or President George W. Bush will bestow on you the favor of a nickname as witty as the ones that on good days elevate Karl Rove to the honorific "Boy Genius," on bad days to the disappointed but no less affectionate "Turd Blossom." Who doesn't now know that the corporation is immortal, that it is the corporation that grants the privilege of an identity, confers meaning on one's life, gives the pension, a decent credit rating, and the priority standing in the community? Of course the corporation reserves the right to open one's email, test one's blood, listen to the phone calls, examine one's urine, hold the patent on the copyright to any idea generated on its premises. Why ever should it not? As surely as the loyal fascist knew that it was his duty to serve the state, the true American knows that it is his duty to protect the brand.

Having met many fine people who come up to the corporate mark -- on golf courses and commuter trains, tending to their gardens in Fairfield County while cutting back the payrolls in Michigan and Mexico -- I'm proud to say (and I think I speak for all of us here this evening with Senator Clinton and her lovely husband) that we're blessed with a bourgeoisie that will welcome fascism as gladly as it welcomes the rain in April and the sun in June. No need to send for the Gestapo or the NKVD; it will not be necessary to set examples.

We don't have to gag the press or seize the radio stations.

People trained to the corporate style of thought and movement have no further use for free speech, which is corrupting, overly emotional, reckless, and ill-informed, not calibrated to the time available for television talk or to the performance standards of a Super Bowl halftime show. It is to our advantage that free speech doesn't meet the criteria of the free market. We don't require the inspirational genius of a Joseph Goebbels; we can rely instead on the dictates of the Nielsen ratings and the camera angles, secure in the knowledge that the major media syndicates run the business on strictly corporatist principles -- afraid of anything disruptive or inappropriate, committed to the promulgation of what is responsible, rational, and approved by experts. Their willingness to stay on message is a credit to their professionalism.

The early twentieth-century fascists had to contend with individuals who regarded their freedom of expression as a necessity -- the bone and marrow of their existence, how they recognized themselves as human beings. Which was why, if sometimes they refused appointments to the state-run radio stations, they sometimes were found dead on the Italian autostrada or drowned in the Kiel Canal. The authorities looked upon their deaths as forms of self-indulgence. The same attitude governs the agreement reached between labor and management at our leading news organizations. No question that the freedom of speech is extended to every American -- it says so in the Constitution -- but the privilege is one that musn't be abused. Understood in a proper and financially rewarding light, freedom of speech is more trouble than it's worth -- a luxury comparable to owning a racehorse and likely to bring with it little else except the risk of being made to look ridiculous. People who learn to conduct themselves in a manner respectful of the telephone tap and the surveillance camera have no reason to fear the fist of censorship. By removing the chore of having to think for oneself, one frees up more leisure time to enjoy the convenience of the Internet services that know exactly what one likes to hear and see and wear and eat. We don't have to murder the intelligentsia.

Here again, we find ourselves in luck. The society is so glutted with easy entertainment that no writer or company of writers is troublesome enough to warrant the compliment of an arrest, or even the courtesy of a sharp blow to the head. What passes for the American school of dissent talks exclusively to itself in the pages of obscure journals, across the coffee cups in Berkeley and Park Slope, in half-deserted lecture halls in small Midwestern
colleges. The author on the platform or the beach towel can be relied upon to direct his angriest invective at the other members of the academy who failed to drape around the title of his latest book the garland of a rave review.

The blessings bestowed by Providence place America in the front rank of nations addressing the problems of a twenty-first century, certain to require bold geopolitical initiatives and strong ideological solutions. How can it be otherwise? More pressing demands for always scarcer resources; ever larger numbers of people who cannot be controlled except with an increasingly heavy hand of authoritarian guidance. Who better than the Americans to lead the fascist renaissance, set the paradigm, order the preemptive strikes? The existence of mankind hangs in the balance; failure is not an option. Where else but in America can the world find the visionary intelligence to lead it bravely into the future -- Donald Rumsfeld our Dante, Turd Blossom our Michelangelo?

I don't say that over the last thirty years we haven't made brave strides forward. By matching Eco's list of fascist commandments against our record of achievement, we can see how well we've begun the new project for the next millennium -- the notion of absolute and eternal truth embraced by the evangelical Christians and embodied in the strict constructions of the Constitution; our national identity provided by anonymous Arabs; Darwin's theory of evolution rescinded by the fiat of "intelligent design"; a state of perpetual war and a government administering, in generous and daily doses, the drug of fear; two presidential elections stolen with little or no objection on the part of a complacent populace; the nation's congressional districts gerrymandered to defend the White House for the next fifty years against the intrusion of a liberal-minded president; the news media devoted to the arts of iconography, busily minting images of corporate executives like those of the emperor heroes on the coins of ancient Rome.

An impressive beginning, in line with what the world has come to expect from the innovative Americans, but we can do better. The early twentieth-century fascisms didn't enter their golden age until the proletariat in the countries that gave them birth had been reduced to abject poverty. The music and the marching songs rose with the cry of eagles from the wreckage of the domestic economy. On the evidence of the wonderful work currently being done by the Bush Administration with respect to the trade deficit and the national debt -- to say nothing of expanding the markets for global terrorism -- I think we can look forward with confidence to character-building bankruptcies, picturesque bread riots, thrilling cavalcades of splendidly costumed motorcycle police.

- END -

Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2005 11:51 pm
by Guest
Don't worry though, it's only noise.......

President George W. Bush, hit by a series of domestic woes that have eroded his popularity, said on Thursday he was focused on his job and not on what he called "some background noise."

Re: Bacharach's Pro Terrorist Song - Blood on his hands

Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2005 11:57 pm
by Guest
Ed wrote:This vile SOB decides to placate the terrorists with a so-called 'anti-war' song when in reality it displays again the naivety and ignorance of those who somehow believe if we just leave the terrorists alone everything will be all right. BS! For Bacharach's information pacifying these scum is taken as weakness and they love that as they don't care if you support them or hate them they still consider you an enemy and would just as soon kill you. You can bury your head in the sand all you want but it won't save your head from the reality of terrorism. The actions in Iraq are like fly paper to these lowlifes and it's far better to kill them there, than in our own backyard which is exactly where they would go if we followed the lunacy of Bacharach's ilk by bringing the troops home.

No WMD's in Iraq? Don't even go there. We all knew Saddam USED them previously on his people and Iran's as well so whether we found them or not is immaterial. They probably ended up in Syria or in a Bacharach warehouse.
god save us from morons like this.

Dont go there? bit late that for that - the US is there for the next 10 years because of lies. And any WMD he did have he bought from Bush/Bin Ladin/Mayor military contracting company 'The Carlyle Group'.

But you apear to be paid to post this by the pentagon so you probably already know this

Posted: Fri Oct 21, 2005 12:00 am
by Guest
KKK wrote:Fuck you guys. I support Bush, hes a great president. So what if he fucked up in Iraq, He'll do better in Iran, I promise.
he wont be going to Iran - your children will.

home to roost

Posted: Fri Oct 21, 2005 12:10 am
by SpikeNYC
It is intriguing that so many of those screaming the loudest cannot even spell Burt (ie: Bert, Bart etc.) The intelligence quotient of the electorate has slipped to a precipitous degree. All of this talk about going after the terrorists, and no Bin Laden, No forays into the Saudi cesspool out of which the 911 crew spawned(of course the President is beholden to them as they have bankrolled his entire failed professional life) and no ostensible plan in Iraq . Let's just spend half a trillion dollars we don't have, loose thousands of American lives and hope that something good happens. DOH. This crooked corrupt criminal Bush administration needs to be outed for the hypocritical liars they and we know they are. Delay, Frist, Libby, Rove, Cheney and all the other nameless dirty tricksters are now adrift on the slippery slope of immorality. Time to pay the piper.

Re: Bacharach's Pro Terrorist Song - Blood on his hands

Posted: Fri Oct 21, 2005 12:12 am
by Guest
Ed wrote:This vile SOB decides to placate the terrorists with a so-called 'anti-war' song when in reality it displays again the naivety and ignorance of those who somehow believe if we just leave the terrorists alone everything will be all right. BS! For Bacharach's information pacifying these scum is taken as weakness and they love that as they don't care if you support them or hate them they still consider you an enemy and would just as soon kill you. You can bury your head in the sand all you want but it won't save your head from the reality of terrorism. The actions in Iraq are like fly paper to these lowlifes and it's far better to kill them there, than in our own backyard which is exactly where they would go if we followed the lunacy of Bacharach's ilk by bringing the troops home.

No WMD's in Iraq? Don't even go there. We all knew Saddam USED them previously on his people and Iran's as well so whether we found them or not is immaterial. They probably ended up in Syria or in a Bacharach warehouse.
i thought inbreding rarely happened! You bush suckers confirm that it happens often!

Posted: Fri Oct 21, 2005 12:39 am
by SpikeNYC
Anonymous wrote:THE AMERICAN PEOPLE BEEN ANGREY FOR MORE THE 15YEARS THEY ARE GETTING ANGREY WITH THE IN HOUSE FIGHTING GOING ON IN WASHINGTON DC WE ARE FEDUP WITH THE DEMOCRATS
I'm Angrey, I'm ANGREY I kant figyour owt wy Bart Bakrax iz riteing such filthie unpaytriotix songs. I liek Prezidunt W, and wood follo him too aniewear! Godd Bles Amerika

Ps Rush Limberger to!

You americans are an odd bunch

Posted: Fri Oct 21, 2005 1:48 am
by Mcor
You deplore the killing of people on september 11. You fear Terrorists killing you to such a point that you will allow a hundred thousand to be killed in your name. Do you all really sleep better at night with Bush giving the orders toi wipe out whole peoples and their countries?? Do you Really think this is making America a safe place for the future? Do you really think Burt Bacharach writing a song about waking up to America and it's constant stream of bullshit is somehow a love letter to Terrorists? Bush doesn't give a shit about stopping terrorists. Bush and Co would LOVE for another Terrorist attack to happen - only then can they push more of their agenda and drop a few more bombs and make a few more billion. There is 6 billion people in this world. America is but 1 country of 200 million. only 36% support Bush and his war. Do the Math. YOU ARE THE VAST MINORITY!! Who are the real terrorists? you are!!

Posted: Fri Oct 21, 2005 4:23 am
by Hayden Fawkes
I agree that fighting terrorism is important, and those of you that support Bush and his war know how necessary it is to do yout part to defend freedom. Terrorism has plagued America since the 70's and I know many of you want to act but dont know how. Though posting on a forum lets your words be heard by many, we all know actions speak louder than words. For your convience, I have linked the MILITARY ENLISTMANT FORM here for you all that know that we all must make sacrafices in the name of Freedom. I encourage you all to have a talk with your families and let them know you are will be doing a greater good by serving in a time of War.

http://usmilitary.about.com/library/pdf/enlistment.pdf

Please don't delay, they will accept you all even if you are in your 40's. Show the Troops your support by being there with them in their time of need. Good luck to you all.

u people are amazing

Posted: Fri Oct 21, 2005 6:17 am
by proud canadian
i live in canada, a country where we have alternative media. not just bible thumping wool over the eyes, like fox etc... Were any of you offered the thought as to why none of the top jewish execs where in the wtc that morning? i was. Has any network ever suggested that maybe bin ladan has nothing to do with the US going to the middle east? i was lucky to have had numerous networks state that. Now i didn't need a network to tell me saddam had nothing to do with anything...but i was offered that thought to. i could go on with all the many pieces of evidence that state what a lie you all live in each day...but i'll simply clarify for the less fortunate, that this 'war' is about oil and religion. 911 was an excuse(possibly even a hoax) for the US to make moves in the middle east. with the growth in china, the US better secure oil snappy! Now, for people like bush, this falls right into his calling from god. Let's attack a group of people who are against a small strip of land called isreal. the bible states that you must protect isreal under any circumstances! and isn't it just a coincidence that it's surrounded by oil. this is the just of it all. now i bet anderson cooper didn't tell ya that while hangin onto a blowing tree did he?
i hope this small bit helps some people understand things a little better. i'd love to go on. if you're not a bible thumper, then you've just realized how animated your country is. if you're religious and love bush, then you're probably still lost or in denial. you wouldn't crawl out of your 'fear of death' mindsets for even a moment to face the truth. i wish u the best. just keep all pills and knives away from your bedside.
:wink:

Burt, you go boy!

Posted: Fri Oct 21, 2005 6:27 am
by Carpenter
Tell it like it is Burt!!! our government sucks and are only concerned about what's good for the corporatations!! The middle class is sliding down the steep slope at a alarming speed, what's it all about Alfie??? :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: